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  1. #161
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    Well, financially, they can pay Jenks $7.5M with Thornton as the set up guy, or move Jenks and pay another set up guy $2M. I think you have to explore a trade. If no one offers anything acceptable, then you see how he reports next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sox1970 View Post
    Garcia's 2010 option was picked up.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...sox/index.html
    If he can give us a 2010 like he performed in his 2 months at the end of this year, the Sox will have a solid 1-5 rotation. That is a good thing. And if he falters, you have Hudson waiting in the wings.

    Garcia = Hernandez?
    Hudson = McCarthy?
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    The Sox are in a real good position on October 6 having their starting rotation all lined up for next year. Not as good as lined up for the playoffs, but it's a huge deal not having to scramble and hope for a 4th and 5th starter like they did this year.

    The bullpen will have Hudson, Carrasco, Pena, Linebrink, and Thornton. They need to pick up a lefty or two if Jenks gets traded.

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    I just hope they can get anything out of Batting Practice Linebrink and Homerun Derby Pena next year.

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    Freddy can outperform 2005 El Duque. His ERA that year was like 5.12, which is one reason I've said the 5th starter isn't that important if your 1-4 are set.

    However, I didn't think Freddy could pitch nearly as well as he did the last month.

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    Freddy has never seemed like a very hard worker which is what you need to be at his age.

    And Hernandez was pretty solid for the first half of the year. Coincidentally that's when the team was dominant. They kind of meandered in the second half without a good 5th and with Pods injured and fruity.
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    2010 Payroll:
    Peavy - 15
    Buehrle - 14
    Konerko - 12
    Rios - 9.7
    Pierzynski - 6.25
    Linebrink - 5
    Floyd - 2.75
    Thornton - 2.25
    Viciedo - 1.25
    Ramirez - 1.1
    Garcia - 1 (3 mil with incentives)
    Dye - 1 (option buyout)

    These 12 players add up to 71.3 million (minimum).
    Arbitration eligible: Danks, Quentin, Jenks, Carrasco, Pena, and Wise

    I don't see how they'll be able to sign a big free agent like Figgins. Rios took all that cash.

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    Team salary in 08 was around 110, no?

    Go back up to that level again. Konerko, AJ, Buehrle, and Linebrink all won't be here past 2011.

    It's called take a chance on a team that might do a lot of damage. Or just sit on your ass and expect people to buy season tickets for a team that didn't improve a team that finished below .500.
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    I wonder if the Sox could get an NL team to make a deal for Linebrink. Maybe eat half the salary and take a bag of balls in return. He had much more success in the NL than the AL.
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    Maybe Linebrink will just be good again. I mean fuck, he used to be a "good" pitcher. Can we get a break?
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    I think Linebrink and Pena will be better pitchers with the improved starting rotation. I think they're stuck with that money anyway. He's making 5.5 in 2011.

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    Linebrink has a NTC clause as well
    FUCK SOPEL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoso View Post
    Maybe Linebrink will just be good again. I mean fuck, he used to be a "good" pitcher. Can we get a break?
    He hasn't really been all that good since 2005. That year he was awesome, 1.83 ERA, 1.059 WHIP. Since then he has been sort of meh.


    Quote Originally Posted by sox1970 View Post
    I think Linebrink and Pena will be better pitchers with the improved starting rotation. I think they're stuck with that money anyway. He's making 5.5 in 2011.
    There might be something to that for Linebrink. His first half numbers were good this year, but he fell apart as the year went along.

    Pena was just a bad idea from the start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthAsianpalehose View Post
    Well to be fair, at least the Danks brothers could help out with that since they are also Boras clients



    Edit: good joike Fuller
    IIRC Both of the Danks Bros. dumped Borass after the draft last yr?

    EDIT: Here's a list of Borass clients


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    Quote Originally Posted by spiffie View Post
    He hasn't really been all that good since 2005. That year he was awesome, 1.83 ERA, 1.059 WHIP. Since then he has been sort of meh.

    There might be something to that for Linebrink. His first half numbers were good this year, but he fell apart as the year went along.

    Pena was just a bad idea from the start.
    That seems like such a shitty signing right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skottyj View Post
    I don't have a problem with that. It a million bucks. It's the same we gave Colon. If he doesn't make it out of spring training no harm no foul I say.
    And that worked so well.
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    Now that we have our first hint that KW will be going extra cheap, Ima slightly revise the projection to:

    C - Pierzynski, Flowers, Castro
    1B - Konerko, Kotsay
    2B - Getz, Nix
    SS - Ramirez, ______ (trade or free agent)
    3B - Beckham
    CF - Rios, ______ (trade or free agent)
    RF - Quentin
    LF - Podsednik
    DH - rotation

    SP - Buehrle, Peavy, Danks, Floyd, Garcia
    RP - Thornton, Linebrink, Pena, Carrassco, Williams, ______ (Hudson, Torres, Nunez, or trade for LHP)

    Shitty lineup, bad defense, and a sketchy pen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maurice View Post
    Now that we have our first hint that KW will be going extra cheap, Ima slightly revise the projection to:

    C - Pierzynski, Flowers, Castro
    1B - Konerko, Kotsay
    2B - Getz, Nix
    SS - Ramirez, ______ (trade or free agent)
    3B - Beckham
    CF - Rios, ______ (trade or free agent)
    RF - Quentin
    LF - Podsednik
    DH - rotation

    SP - Buehrle, Peavy, Danks, Floyd, Garcia
    RP - Thornton, Linebrink, Pena, Carrassco, Williams, ______ (Hudson, Torres, Nunez, or trade for LHP)

    Shitty lineup, bad defense, and a sketchy pen.
    A far cry from the 2009 squad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maurice View Post
    Now that we have our first hint that KW will be going extra cheap, Ima slightly revise the projection to:

    C - Pierzynski, Flowers, Castro
    1B - Konerko, Kotsay
    2B - Getz, Nix
    SS - Ramirez, ______ (trade or free agent)
    3B - Beckham
    CF - Rios, ______ (trade or free agent)
    RF - Quentin
    LF - Podsednik
    DH - rotation

    SP - Buehrle, Peavy, Danks, Floyd, Garcia
    RP - Thornton, Linebrink, Pena, Carrassco, Williams, ______ (Hudson, Torres, Nunez, or trade for LHP)

    Shitty lineup, bad defense, and a sketchy pen.
    But it could all change in 2010!!!1!1

    Linebrink could return to form!
    Kornerko could refrain from suck.
    Pods could learn to catch! And throw!
    TCQ could return to form!
    Ramirez could return to form!
    Getz could return!
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    Getz can return to what? Continuing to be really, really average at all facets of the game?
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    Could Rios lead off?

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    Also, why not look to the Japan Leagues. We got Iguchi and Shingo that way. Iguchi was pretty solid in 05 and 06, but was part of the 07 team slump and Takatsu was good until his mid season collapse in 2005.

    Besides. Who doesn't seriously miss that gong?
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    If is healthy and fully recovered, i think we will see a close resemblance to his potential MVP year.
    Ramirez is apparently that guy who starts off shit slow but then becomes respectable down the stretch
    Rios im confident will play as how optimistic people figure him to be


    As for 901, as of now, no real prospects are coming from Japan this year to be signed that I know of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StockdaleForVeep View Post
    If tcq is healthy and fully recovered, i think we will see a close resemblance to his potential MVP year.
    Ramirez is apparently that guy who starts off shit slow but then becomes respectable down the stretch
    Rios im confident will play as how optimistic people figure him to be.
    I'm a pretty blindly optimistic fan (with the exception of 2009). I believe that TCQ will rebound hit .280+, 30+ HR and 80+ RBI. I think 2010 is the season The Cuban Missile starts out hitting well and I think Rios hits around his career average, and play solid defense in center.


    Quote Originally Posted by StockdaleForVeep View Post
    As for 901, as of now, no real prospects are coming from Japan this year to be signed that I know of.
    Noted, but IIRC, I don't remember people being ZOMG!!11!1!1 we has to getz us some Iguchi going into 2005 (and Shingo 04), I always thought Kenny's scouts just saw him and KW signed him in the blue, but I wasn't quite the super fan then (aka message border) so all my Sox news I got from their website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitesox901 View Post
    Could Rios lead off?
    Rios is a 6-9 hitter on a good team. If he's hitting higher than that, that's a bad sign.

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    Updated in light of today's press conference

    C - Pierzynski, Flowers, ____
    (trade or free agent)

    1B - Konerko

    2B - Beckham, Nix

    SS - Ramirez

    3B - Teahen

    OF - Rios, Quentin, Kotsay, ______
    (DeAza, trade, or free agent)

    DH - rotation

    SP - Buehrle, Peavy, Danks, Floyd, Garcia

    RP - Jenks, Thornton, Linebrink, Pena, Carrassco, ______
    (Hudson, Torres, Nunez, Williams, trades, free agents)

    - - -

    With little money left, KW will look to add low-priced options at the 3 bolded positions. He may trade Jenks to free up some more cash.

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    Updated again

    C - Pierzynski, Flowers, ____
    (trade or free agent)

    1B - Konerko

    2B - Beckham, Nix

    SS - Ramirez, Vizquel

    3B - Teahen

    OF - Rios, Quentin, Kotsay, Jones, ______
    (DeAza, trade, or free agent)

    DH - rotation

    SP - Buehrle, Peavy, Danks, Floyd, Garcia

    RP - Jenks, Thornton, Linebrink, Pena, Carrassco, ______
    (Hudson, Torres, Nunez, Williams, trades, free agents)

    - - -

    When all is said and done, there might be no spot(s) reserved for Nix and/or Flowers.

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    updated & reformatted

    Starters:
    C - Pierzynski
    1B - Konerko
    2B - Beckham
    SS - Ramirez
    3B - Teahen
    LF - Pierre
    CF - Rios
    RF - Quentin
    DH - (rotation)

    Bench:
    C - (Flowers or trade / free agent)
    IF - Vizquel
    1B/OF - Kotsay
    OF - Jones
    (Thome? Nix?)

    - - -

    Starters:
    Buehrle
    Peavy
    Danks
    Floyd
    Garcia

    Relievers:
    Jenks
    Thornton
    Linebrink
    Pena
    Putz
    (2nd LHP - Williams or trade / free agent)
    (long relief - Hudson, Torres, etc.)

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